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一場不允許打贏的戰爭,蘭博的悲哀—越南戰爭 [复制链接]

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发表于 2019-6-10 12:36:28 |显示全部楼层


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H54pwtWHpyE
1、昧着良心赞美,这叫五毛。
2、用指责与批评督促执政者改良,这叫五分。
3、明明身处最底层,却站出来维护统治者,这叫脑残。
4、听到讲真话的人,扑上去就咬,这叫权贵的走狗。
说南京大屠杀时:历史不能忘记;
说文化大革命时:不要揪着历史不放;
说中美联合公报时:美国要恪守承诺;
说中英香港联合声明时:那是历史

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发表于 2019-6-10 15:28:44 |显示全部楼层
我们老家农村有句俗话,叫,屁眼拉笊篱, 肚子里编,哈哈。

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发表于 2019-6-10 15:51:01 |显示全部楼层
marcheverdun 发表于 2019-6-10 15:28
我们老家农村有句俗话,叫,屁眼拉笊篱, 肚子里编,哈哈。

你很好地解答了你胡说八道的原因
1、昧着良心赞美,这叫五毛。
2、用指责与批评督促执政者改良,这叫五分。
3、明明身处最底层,却站出来维护统治者,这叫脑残。
4、听到讲真话的人,扑上去就咬,这叫权贵的走狗。
说南京大屠杀时:历史不能忘记;
说文化大革命时:不要揪着历史不放;
说中美联合公报时:美国要恪守承诺;
说中英香港联合声明时:那是历史

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发表于 2019-6-10 18:44:50 |显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 netsolder 于 2019-6-10 18:46 编辑

一张改变了越战进程的照片

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https://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/the-vietnam-war-pbs-tet-offensive-execution-photo-lynn-novick-1201879632/





South Vietnamese forces escort Nguyen Van Lem on a Saigon street, early in the Tet Offensive.


Eddie Adams/AP/REX/Shutterstock


[Editor’s Note: The following contains an image of graphic violence below, a photo taken during the war that is being discussed in context with the documentary and the Tet Offensive.]

At the halfway point of Ken Burns and Lynn Novick’s “The Vietnam War,” the documentary series reaches the Tết Offensive, one of the biggest military offensives by the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong that turned the tide of the war, even though it was deemed a failure. Episode 6, titled “Things Fall Apart” is one of the most relentless and graphically violent installments of the series so far, but is absolutely essential viewing to understanding how both the Vietnamese and Americans viewed the war going forward.

One of the biggest contributors to the American perception of the war occurred early on during the Tết Offensive, on its second day. After Northern Vietnamese spy Nguyễn Văn Lém is suspected of having violated the rules of warfare, Nguyễn was captured and then executed by South Vietnam’s General Loan. The image of the execution was captured by photographer Eddie Adams at the moment Loan’s bullet hit Nguyễn’s head. Adams later went on to win a Pulitzer Prize for the photo, while the moment was also filmed by NBC television cameraman Vo Suu.



“One of the most unforgettable images, perhaps the most… important image of the entire war is the photograph by Eddie Adams, of General Loan executing the Viet Cong suspects on the streets of Saigon,” Novick told IndieWire. “If you’re familiar with this history, people may think they know [the photo] and they’ve seen it, but it’s also important to remember that for people who don’t know it and haven’t seen it, it’s extraordinarily shocking.

“We had a screening of this episode when it was still in the edit room,” she continued. “One of our interns basically broke down crying, trying to talk about what he had seen, and he said, ‘I’ve grown up with video games and violent movies and pretending to kill people, and I just realized watching that, that guy died right there in that moment.’”

After watching a man die in front of their eyes on TV and through the photo, Americans suddenly questioned if the South Vietnamese were the right people to back in the war. But as with most moments taken out of context, the situation surrounding it is far more complex.

Read More: ‘The Vietnam War’ Review: Ken Burns’ Exhaustive Conflict Biography Shows How to Learn from History’s Errors

“Even I myself didn’t really understand what were the circumstances under which that picture was taken,” Novick said. “What had happened before? What happened after? And what the impact of the picture was in the moment, and long after? So we’re able to situate it in real time and then pull back, and hopefully help the audience see what it all means. There’s many misconceptions and misunderstandings about the circumstances under which that picture was taken, under which that happened. We have people describing what is happening. We also have a context of what’s going on in Saigon.”



Nguyễn’s alleged crimes involved the killing of not just a military officer, but several of his family members as well, according to what General Loan had said he had been told. Novick explained, “Part of the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong battle plan was that they thought they were going to take over all of South Vietnam with quick military strikes, but in order to do that, they also planned to assassinate or neutralize the people who were in charge of running the government everywhere in South Vietnam and the head of the military. There were assassination squads running around Saigon and Hue and other places, targeting South Vietnamese officials, military officers, and it broadened from that into people’s families, and women and children. There are photographs of all of this.

“And at the same time, you have the South Vietnamese military and police also trying to find the people who were doing this and attack them,” she continued. “There are assassinations going on in both directions. There’s no trial, there’s no judicial due process in the heat of battle. People who are not wearing uniforms, who are not soldiers per se, are being killed. And so that’s the context in which that event happened.”

While most people today have looked at the iconic photo, seen below, the footage of the actual execution has been seen by very few beyond what aired on American TV in 1968.

“NBC was willing to let us license the footage,” said Novick. “They rarely license it, and it was because of our producer Sarah Botstein worked very closely with NBC and a team of producers to determine exactly what was shown on television of that moment to the frame, so that we represent what the American people saw at home, which was truly shocking. It remains shocking. I don’t care how many times you see it. It’s unbearable to look at, but if you want to understand the Vietnam War, you should have to look at it.”

Execution of Nguyen Van Lem in Saigon, 1968

Eddie Adams/AP/REX/Shutterstock



This was just one moment of the Tết Offensive though, which had its share of misconceptions, beginning with the Northern expectations on how the offensive would play out.

“There was a kind of wishful thinking, or hubris in some sense, in that Hanoi really felt that there would be this massive military offensive and at the same time a general uprising of the people of South Vietnam and that the war would be over,” said Novick. “And the soldiers that we interviewed in Vietnam on the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong side remembered being told, ‘This was the last battle. The war is going to be over. You can destroy your jungle camp because you’re not coming back to the jungle after this battle. You’re going to have new uniforms. This is the end of the war. This is it. This is the thing we’ve been waiting for a thousand years, and this is the moment.’ And so they went off onto this offensive greatly optimistic that this would be the end.



“That did not turn out to be the case. There are many paradoxes and ironies in the Tet Offensive because it was militarily not terribly well planned,” she said. “We’ve read many interesting after-action reports, self-critical analysis done by the North Vietnamese army after the fact, a number of years later of what went wrong. Many, many, many things went wrong militarily. Nothing went according to plan: They didn’t have reserves, they didn’t have enough supplies, they didn’t have a Plan B when there were counter-terror attacks, and they couldn’t possibly match the South Vietnamese and American military power once those forces understood what was happening and started to fight back. So it was a military disaster and the losses were catastrophic. And the people didn’t rise up, and there was no end of the war the way that the leadership had unrealistically expected.”

Read More:  ‘The Vietnam War’ Is the Documentary I’ve Been Waiting for as a Vietnamese Refugee and an American Citizen

Despite this huge loss for the North, the South suffered blows also — not just from the widespread death and destruction, but also because their allies began to waver even more in the face of what increasingly looked to be an unwinnable war.

“In a sense, it was a great political victory even though it was a military defeat, because the American public lost faith in our own leaders to be upfront and honest about what was happening,” said Novick. “We had been told shortly before that the war was almost over, that the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong … were basically about to give up. And when the Tet Offensive happened, it didn’t look that way, it didn’t feel that way, and so there became this explosion of questioning. ‘What are we doing? Are they telling us the truth? When is this going to be over?’”

Episode 6 of “The Vietnam War” airs Sunday, Sept. 24 at 8 p.m. ET on PBS. The remainder of the series airs nightly at 8 p.m., Monday-Thursday, Sept. 25-28.



1、昧着良心赞美,这叫五毛。
2、用指责与批评督促执政者改良,这叫五分。
3、明明身处最底层,却站出来维护统治者,这叫脑残。
4、听到讲真话的人,扑上去就咬,这叫权贵的走狗。
说南京大屠杀时:历史不能忘记;
说文化大革命时:不要揪着历史不放;
说中美联合公报时:美国要恪守承诺;
说中英香港联合声明时:那是历史

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发表于 2019-6-10 19:27:35 |显示全部楼层
援助越南200亿, 毛主席操碎心, 但60周年庆典却没一个中国人
http://www.sohu.com/a/258904077_357495

今天小编将给大家说一说中国在建国初期援助越南的故事。我相信一提到这件事,都会引起很多国人的愤怒之情,感慨中国的无私,指责越南的忘恩负义。1945年日本战败投降后,胡志明在越南发动起义,宣布成立越南民主共和国。

但当时力图在东南亚恢复之前地位的法国当然不会坐视不管,开始疯狂打击。由于当时胡志明领导的人民军,不仅装备极其落后,而且严重缺乏训练。结果,在战争一开始就节节败退。

不仅如此,连起义时宣布的首都也被迫从河内迁址到越南北部山区。当时情况十分紧急,连胡志明本人也说:“当时我们只能以棍棒对抗敌人的飞机大炮。”于是,胡志明想到了求助毛主席。1949年12月胡志明写信给毛主席和中共中央请求援助,并于次年1月亲自抵达北京,再次当面向毛主席提出帮助抵抗法国军队。

可以说,毛主席为援助越南操碎了心!要知道,当时国际社会没有一个国家愿意承认胡志明创建的越南民主共和国,而当时的斯大林基于苏联自身利益考虑,也没有承认。

这时,毛主席却力排众议,在1950年1月18日(大家注意这个时间,胡志明是1月初来中国的)率先与越南民主共和国建立了外交关系,并且强烈建议苏联和东欧一些国家尽快与越南民主共和国建立外交关系,支持越南民主共和国。

当时,胡志明希望能得到斯大林和毛主席的军事和财政经济支援,这时斯大林又找借口推辞,并且建议援助事宜以中国为主。

我们知道,那时新中国刚成立,百废待兴,需要大量人才,根本没有过多资源和人才去支持越南。但是,毛主席还是应胡志明的一再请求,派出了大量的优秀指战员组成军事顾问团支援越南。不久后朝鲜战争爆发,中国雪上加霜,可一直没停止对越南的各种援助。

那么从1950年至1978年,中国总共支援了越南多少物资和财政援助呢?小编查阅资料大概统计了下(可以说这个数字是很保守的估计):从1950-1978年援越抗法、援越抗美和帮助越南重建,中国共向越南提供的各种援助总额为203.6845亿元人民币。(这只是一部分)

这203亿主要包括:一般物资援助金额为100.6742亿元,包括粮食500万吨、石油200万吨、汽车3.5万辆、船只600多艘;

军事援助金额为49.6679亿元,包括枪213.8万支,炮7万余门,枪弹12.4亿发,炮弹1807万发,舰艇176艘,中型和水陆坦克552辆,装甲输送车320艘,飞机170余架,炸药1.824万吨,有线电机6.5万部,无线电机3.5万部,军服1117万套(可装备200万人),约合人民币42.6亿元;

成套项目援助为36.2619亿元,建设项目为450项,己完成339项,包括轻重工业工厂、医院、研究所的成套设备;援助美元现汇6.35亿元等。

中国当时对越南援助的无私性还表现在:当越南提出的要求超过中国的生产能力时,人民解放军不仅动用库存,甚至抽调现役装备满足越南的急需。

为了援助各种物资的安全,1965年中央决定成立援越运输工作领导小组,组长由总参谋长罗瑞卿担任。从1967年开始,中国动用500余辆汽车将经铁路运抵边境的物资运往越南,而产生的运费完全由中国承担。

据后来全面核算,中国向越南直接提供的物资和中国部队赴越的军费开支,按当时国际价格计算,总额在200亿美元以上。

可以毫不客气的说,没有中国的无私援助,胡志明领导的越南民主共和国就不可能会存在,更不会有1954年7月奠边府战役的胜利,更没有后来一切。但是,中国这样的无私援助越南换来的是什么呢?我们不说后来的越南大肆排华事件和79年的自卫反击战。

2014年是奠边府战役胜利结束60周年,4月22至29日,越南高规格接待中国援越抗法顾问团和专家亲属团,重温昔日中越两国人民之间的战斗友谊。但据凤凰卫视报道,在5月7日的正式庆祝大典上,邀请了法军,却没有邀请中方代表参加。越南这种特别安排是在掩饰什么,还是在想否认什么?也许这才是值得每个中国人认真思考的问题!



1、昧着良心赞美,这叫五毛。
2、用指责与批评督促执政者改良,这叫五分。
3、明明身处最底层,却站出来维护统治者,这叫脑残。
4、听到讲真话的人,扑上去就咬,这叫权贵的走狗。
说南京大屠杀时:历史不能忘记;
说文化大革命时:不要揪着历史不放;
说中美联合公报时:美国要恪守承诺;
说中英香港联合声明时:那是历史
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